Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

By Michael Zwicky-Ross

Ibraar Hussain recently posted a review of a Chinon CE-4 and his experiences with it which I found very interesting. So interesting that a few days later a house-clearance, untested, CE4-S with Chinon’s own 50mm 1:1.9 lens was on its way from eBay. What can I say? I’m easily lead. My luck was in as my example is near-mint and has obviously always had a skylight filter fitted so the lens is spotless. I changed the light-seals on the film door which I was impressed to see can be removed just by sliding a small catch. The next thing was to decide what film to shoot. At this point I remembered I had four rolls of 36-shot Kosmo Foto Agent Shadow 400ASA that I bought three years ago through a Kickstarter for £20. Another impulse buy. We had my sister staying with us for a few days so we had the perfect excuse to take a tour of the Lake District where we live and fire off the 36 frames.

I’ve recently had a couple of not entirely satisfactory experiences getting my black & white film developed so I though it was time I got back into the chemical side of things. Fifty-plus years ago I used to do all my own developing and printing in my mother’s fully equipped darkroom but since the advent of digital cameras I’ve always outsourced that pleasure. And I’ve just been reminded what a pleasure it is.

A number of contributors here, notably Geoff Chaplin, have done some exhaustive tests using Rodinal so not wanting to reinvent the wheel I ordered some and some Adofix Plus from the ever-reliable Bristol Cameras who promptly rang me up to ask if they could send the nature-identical Compard R09 instead. Fair enough. Now where is my UN-brand changing bag?

And my Paterson Universal Tank:

I will not bore you with the procedure as I’m sure many of you have done it frequently. What I did do however is work out the cost:

12ml of R09 at £15.50 per 500ml = 37p
37ml of Adofix at £11.50 = 86p
Grand total = £1.23

Here are some of the pictures I like the best from this reel:

A picture of Donald Campbell's Bluebird
The newly restored  record-breaking speedboat ‘Bluebird’ at Ruskin Musem, Coniston
A gnarly old fir tree
A gnarly old fir tree
Grange-over-Sands garden centre
Grange-over-Sands garden centre
a railway station with a train in the distance
The Barrow-in-Furness train pulling out
a churchyatrd gate
Our churchyard gate

Apart from some water spots on the non-emulsion side of the film which I had to carefully polish off I was very happy with that experiment. But what about the FP4? I hear you cry. Bear with me, here is the story. About five years ago I found a reel of 35mm FP4 in one of my camera bags, in its plastic pot, and I saw that the leader had been wound inside. Assuming it had been exposed I took it to our local camera shop and photo-processor. Unfortunately they were not very cooperative, not really interested in B&W, and fobbed me off with tales of hand-developing and waiting lists so I was discouraged somewhat and the film went back into storage. With my newly restored enthusiasm for chemicals, and realising how cheap the experiment would be, it was into the changing bag again.

This time I did a final rinse with water from our dehumidifier, reasoning it would be mineral-free, and no water spots can be seen.

To my surprise it was obvious, even before I started scanning, that the roll had been taken with a half-frame camera. The only half-frame I’ve owned, until a son bought me the latest Kodak H35, was an Olympus Pen EE and I haven’t seen that for decades. I expect I sold it but have no recollection of doing so.

In about 1979 we bought a second-hand car garage and turned it into an electrical repair workshop. The photographs on this roll are of the building work undertaken to replace corrugated walls with concrete blocks. They have been sitting undeveloped for at least 44 years. To me – fascinating. To you – probably not so much, but here are a few:

Thank you for your indulgence, and thank you to the contributors to this site for motivating me back into home processing.

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Alan Gauld on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

Nice shots of the Lakes. Is that Ulverston where the "garage" was? - I think I recognise the "lighthouse" on the hill...
I got back into processing film after a friend gifted me his dad's old Yashica TLR. I find I enjoy developing the films but I don't miss the effort of printing and processing, scanning and doing things digitally is much more pleasant.
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

Yes that is Ulverston. I keep meaning to do a post about the Hoad Monument. I'm absolutely with you when it comes to processing. Film is easy but printing would require the enlarger I no longer have and space for a darkroom which I don't have either!

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Andrew on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

Interesting to see the photos from the Olympus Pen EE. It looks like the image circle of the lens barely covers the negative area. I don’t think we would find that very acceptable nowadays!
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

Good point. Nevertheless I wish I hadn't sold it.

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Michael on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

Interesting! I have been getting up my nerve to get back into developing. Have my equipment and rolls of film ready, just gotta make the jump.

Oh, and excellent on the Bluebird! Such a cool machine.
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

Thank you Michael. I really needed a wide angle lens to do justice to Bluebird but it was nice to see it in the museum at last

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Eric Rose on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

That is really cool! I developed a very outdated roll for a friend once. It turned out to be a roll of film her former husband had taken just prior to their marriage. On the roll were images of some lovely gal he had meet and photographed. Ummmm.
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

I must admit I was a little nervous as to what I would find...

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Jeffery Luhn on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

Michael,

I like the train shot the best. Classic composition. It may be boring for Brits, but in California we don't have many passenger trains, so a shot like that is looking forward to more mass transit. I hope one day a scene like that will be commonplace here.

About processing and printing: For me, film development is the least interesting step. It's like watching paint dry. Of course doing it myself saves money and wait time from the lab. My thrill is seeing the image come up in the tray.

I teach photography at the local college, so I'm blessed to have a fully equipped darkroom anytime I want it. I shoot about 1 roll and 12 4x5 sheets a week. Using Rodinal 1:50 or HC-110 @ 1:31 is cheap! Students are amazed at the low cost! Of course, film and paper costs have skyrocketed, but students on my campus get the first $150 of materials for free.

They suddenly become more conservative when that dole runs out!!
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 04/09/2024

Thank you for your kind remarks. I do remember the thrill of rocking the Paterson tray back and forth as the image slowly appeared. Unfortunately I don't really have space for a dark-room these days and too many other hobbies! I wish there had been photography on our high-school syllabus back in the '60s. Your students are very lucky.

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Geoff Chaplin on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 05/09/2024

Thanks for the mention! Yes, Rodinal seems very reliable and cheap, and if you go the 100:1 route a water wash as fixer works fine. Be aware the R09 probably has an expiry date, unlike Adox Rodinal.

Some really nice images. The FP4 reminds me that some years ago when my son was in his mid-thirties i found an exposed roll of FP4 in the back of a drawer. I developed it - and it developed as if it could have been taken yesterday - but the photos were of my son's infant school play!
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 05/09/2024

Thank you Geoff. I wasn't aware that R09 has an expiry rate, having been told it was effectively the same as Rodinal. I can't remember what I used to use back in the '70s but I do remember having a Bakelite bulk-loader and buying large rolls of, probably, FP4 and a Konica Auto S2 which a camera shop in Japan broke when my mother was using it.

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jason gold on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 05/09/2024

I never stopped doing BW and kitchen lab! OK! Batroom, no window and good darkness..plus old change bag.Like the photos!
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 05/09/2024

I'm unreasonably excited to get back into it myself

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Paul Quellin on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 05/09/2024

I think it's really exciting getting results from old film, especially where you have no information about the provenance. I have come across a few colour ones that have been clearly too long gone. This is a great feature of black and white; the ability to last and last between shooting and development. Enjoyable read, thank you.
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 05/09/2024

Thank you for your kind comments. I have had a couple of long=expired colour films developed but there was nothing much usable on them. Perhaps if I was a Photoshop expert I could have rescued something but I doubt it.

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Jason Turner on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 06/09/2024

What timings and approach did you take to recover the images from your old film?

I have about 120 undeveloped films from the eighties and nineties. Various film types including HP5, FP4, Tri X, XP1 (and also a lot of colour negative films). In many cases, I pushed the films during exposure. They have not been kept in optimal conditions.

I keep on stopping myself from developing them for fear of doing it wrongly.

I am searching for information on how to process these films (to maximise the chances of getting a result).

You got great results from your old film exposed around 1979. Did you make adjustments to take into account the age of your half-frame film? Can you point me to any sources of wisdom on this?

Thank you
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 06/09/2024

Thank you for your interest in my experiment. I have to confess that the negatives did turn out rather thin so whatever I did could be improved on. And all I did was follow the developing instructions for FP4+, not really expecting there to be anything usable on the roll. If I was to do it again I would definitely research how ageing affects the emulsion with a view to changing the development timing which is the only factor you can influence really, apart from concentration I suppose. I'm sure Geoff Chaplin of this parish would be able to steer you right as he has done a lot of experiments with Rodinal etc. Good luck, and go for it. And don't forget to share your experiences here.

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David Hill on Returning to home developing – an expired roll of FP4 and perhaps a Pen EE

Comment posted: 06/09/2024

I have a bag of old films that need developing, and I’m afraid to see what I’ll find. Need to bite the Bullet and break out my old Nikkor tanks and the Rodinal!!
The thing I love about Rodinal is its utter simplicity, and the fact I don’t need to force my scattershot mind into a rigid schedule of time and agitation. Soup the film, set an alarm for 30 minutes and wander off to have breakfast. Do a couple lazy inversions and go mow the lawn. Come back to wash and fix…
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Michael Zwicky-Ross replied:

Comment posted: 06/09/2024

It's amazing how many old unprocessed films members of this site have. Not having developed a film for perhaps 25 years I'm not quite as blasé as you but Rodinal does seem quite easy.

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