Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

By Tony Warren

A few years ago my cousin passed her father’s Retina IIc on to me including a lens hood, a couple of filters and a 1958 copy of The Retina Way by O. R. Croy. This informative book covers all the Retinas and the accessory system from 1934 with guidance on using everything.

I have used the camera on and off after having it CLA’d to iron out its problems. This was carried out by Chris Sherlock, who put the camera back into perfect order. It is featured in one of his excellent videos that can be accessed via his web page (https://retinarescue.com).

May I say here, and echoed by many other photographers around the world I am sure, how much I valued the skill and extensive knowledge that Chris brought to give old equipment a new life. His recent retirement is a great loss to film photographers. Such skills as his are an essential and greatly appreciated component of what gives so much pleasure to so many. And his web site continues to be an invaluable resource.

Chris Sherlock's signature.
Chris Sherlock’s signature.
The IIc as it came to me.
The IIc as it came to me.

The Retina IIc in brief

I will just give a brief description of the camera here as it has been reviewed so many times already.

This Retina had been bought new by my uncle in 1958 when it was sold in the UK at a retail price of £59.1.6 inc. tax and import duties so it was no small investment. A divorce was avoided, I believe, as it was bought in the Channel Islands at the more reasonable tax and duty free price of £28.10.0, my aunt and uncle having moved there after WWII. To put the cost into perspective, my bedsit whilst at university at that time, cost me £3.10.0 per week. So the UK retail price would have kept me housed for around four and a half months! The tax and import duty free price would have kept the roof over my head for 10 weeks or most of one term.

The model IIc is a high quality, folding 35mm coupled rangefinder camera with an f2.8 6-element, convertible lens. It was made by the firm originally established by August Nagel, who had been producing quality equipment for some time and had been bought out by Kodak in the 1920s. The IIc made use of a Synchro Compur shutter with a lens having interchangeable front components for wide angle and telephoto options. Lenses were made by Schneider and Rodenstock but the interchangeable front components cannot be mixed, mounts being incompatible I believe. Apart from a base mounted lever wind and offset tripod socket, layout is generally conventional.

The Retina IIc.
The Retina IIc.

There was a similar IIIc model which included a built in selenium exposure meter and an f2 maximum aperture. The later ‘II and III big C’ models had minor improvements, mainly an improved and enlarged viewfinder which had 35mm and 80mm frame lines incorporated removing the need for accessory finders for these accessory lenses. The model I versions were viewfinder cameras with manual focus.

Studying the accessories has explained why the camera’s tripod socket is offset to one end rather than central. The camera platform used with a some of the close-up accessories screws into it and the unthreaded socket where the tripod fixing would normally be takes a peg to locate the platform on the camera. The platform incorporates a tripod socket located on the lens axis where it is most useful for the tripod work several of these accessories made essential.

The accessory range

Page from The Retina Way showing three of the optical accessories.
Page from The Retina Way showing three of the optical accessories.
Page from The Retina Way showing the copying and close up accessories.
Page from The Retina Way showing the copying and close up accessories.

The Retina Way describes the comprehensive range of accessories then available, developed over time into possibly the most comprehensive system for this type of camera being in competition as it was with Leica and Contax in particular. These extensive back-up systems allowed the user to do as much as they needed with the equipment available.

The system includes the usual range of filters and a lens hood for the standard and wide angle lenses, as well as more specialised devices for flash, close-up, copying, microscopy, and stereo. An adjustable multiple finder covering the available focal lengths was available and two frame finders, one for the standard 50mm lens only and a second like mine that has masks for the 80mm tele. All these finders have parallax adjustment.

The focusing adapter.
The focusing adapter.

The Ground Glass Focussing Adapter was perhaps the most extreme and expensive item. Effectively a camera without the front lens component, shutter or film transport system and a ground glass screen in the focal plane with a magnifier, an accurate through the lens framing and focussing method with any lens or close up combination. It was supported on the tripod mounted camera platform, the camera and front component replacing the adapter on the platform to make the exposure after framing up and focussing, the settings transferred to the camera manually. Cumbersome but very precise and unlike the reflex attachments of other manufacturers infinity focus was possible with all available lens combinations as standard.

Close up rangefinder attached at the closest setting. The rangefinder tilts as the distance to the subject reduces.
Close up rangefinder attached at the closest setting. The rangefinder tilts as the distance to the subject reduces.
Camera fitted with the frame finder and the polariser.
Camera fitted with the frame finder and the polariser.

My accumulation

I didn’t set out to collect extra bits for the Retina but over time I have acquired a few out of curiosity as they came up for sale. These are:-

Original 50mm lens hood, yellow and UV filters by Kodak that came with the camera.
A Voigtländer filter I modified as an IR R720 filter.
Type C frame finder (with 80mm mask).
Close-up rangefinder set.
Polarising filter.

The filters and lens hood have seen the most use of course but I have played with the others a little while many of the accessories I have never come across to be able to try them out.

Probably the most useful of the ones I have are the close-up set and the polariser, though the secondary image of the cu rangefinder is very faint. The frame finder would probably come into its own if the 80mm lens was available. For more comfortable viewing I generally use a Voigtländer Kontur finder in combination with the coupled rangefinder for determining focus which works very well for me as a spectacle wearer. I am also on the lookout for the close-up attachment with the adjustable rods. I can see this being useful with the supplementary lenses I already own.

Some examples

Using this camera with a few of its accessories really shows what an impact electronics and the subsequent digital age has had on the photographer. Ansel Adams wrote a great deal about visualisation, i.e. having a clear idea in your mind of how you wanted the final image to come out before you take it. This was necessary because the actual result wouldn’t appear for some time in order to be assessed, only framing and composition could be manipulated visually prior to making the exposure. Now, the image can be previewed or reviewed immediately to assess the decisions we have taken, allowing a different approach by removing most of the technical aspects that previously required the photographer’s attention.

Composite to show the relative magnifications possible.
Composite to show the relative magnifications possible.
Examples with and without the polariser and its effect on glass surfaces.
Examples with and without the polariser and its effect on glass surfaces.
Polariser used on natural subjects. More subtle but the flowers and grass have deeper colour because reflections are removed.
Polariser used on natural subjects. More subtle but the flowers and grass have deeper colour because reflections are removed.
An example of an infrared shot using the R720 filter.
An example of an infrared shot using the R720 filter.

In conclusion

Apart from fixed lens types and mainly Leica of course, the coupled rangefinder was nearing the end of its popularity and general usefulness. The SLR was very much more convenient and adaptable, and the folding Retina was discontinued in 1961. The rigid models like the IIIS continued for a while alongside the Retina Reflex models but they were all discontinued by 1970. The more complicated operation of the leaf shutter was unable to compete with focal plane types for use in SLRs.

I suppose it is only reasonable to expect the design of any utilitarian item to develop for the benefit of its user and render some things obsolete in the process. Nevertheless, the Kodak Retina system is a good example of the skill and ingenuity of the designers to address the needs of photographers at the time this type of camera was a viable option. They had a definite attraction, being compact enough to slip into a pocket, unlike some. They are also precise and finely made and the accessories provided to extend their usefulness were suited to their purpose for quite some time when they were new and nowadays allow for a greater range of use for those of us who continue to enjoy them.

Unfortunately, the focal plane SLR and easily interchangeable lenses of greater choice of focal length won out and this type of camera had had its day.

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About The Author

By Tony Warren
In my 60 or so years of serious involvement in photography I have seen the demise of the viewfinder, the rise of the SLR and the eclipse of them all with the meteoric development of the digital camera. Through it all, however, and above all else, the image is what it is all about so I now use film alongside digital. Whatever is the most appropriate or practical. My contributions will hopefully be useful for anyone interested in using film and also how a died-in-the-wool antique like me is continuing his life-long addiction in the digital age, using both platforms. The major benefit of an extended retirement is that I can spend most of my time nowadays with photography and writing about it.
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Ralph Turner on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

An excellent article, Tony. I knew there were the alternative focal length front lens cells for the Retinas (I have the IIIC), but I was completely unaware of how sophisticated the whole Retina system was. Thank you for sharing.
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Thank you Ralph - Nagel was something of a pioneer of this type of camera system and doesn't receive enough recognition after being swallowed up into the Kodak empire. He was also one of the original Zeiss Ikon grouping but fell out with them and briefly went his own way before Kodak appeared with their wallet open I guess.

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Paul Trantow on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Wow! This is great! I was gifted a IIc some years ago, and it jammed on me upon loading it this summer. Paul Barden serviced the cocking rack (and a few other things) masterfully as Chris Sherlock has since retired. He even made me a 3-D printed "original" lens shade! I had no idea the breadth of accessories and this entire book. Thank you for sharing.

Everyone note: These are wicked good rangefinders will killer glass. They are tiny, focus close, and shoot sharp.
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Thank you Paul. The cocking rack does seem to the source of many problem cameras to judge from Chris' videos. Pleased you have found a successor to Chris. Agree with your comments on the camera wholeheartedly.

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Jeffery Luhn on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Great article, Tony! I inherited a Retina (IIc) from my great uncle in 1967. It was in a junk box destined for the landfill! What great timing, because I was into backpacking at high elevations all over the Sierra Nevada mountains in California. The Kodachromes I shot with that gem survive as treasured memories. There's no way I would have carried an SLR up those switchbacks! I still have the camera, but the film advance is a little wonky. For hikes, now at 72 years old, I use a Zeiss Contessa. After reading your informative article I'm going to get my dear Retina serviced!!!
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Thank you Jeffery. Going to landfill - ouch! Glad you saved it and hope you bring it back to life.

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Kodachromeguy on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Nice summary, Tony. These Retinas were superb optically. I owned a IIa for a few years and cannot fault the 50mm Xenar lens. The Kodak filters were a bit challenging to find on the big auction site. As I recall, the filter thread size is 29.5mm, but the push-on size is 32mm, therefore the /32 label on the chrome filter rings. Your infrared photo is quite striking!
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Thanks for that. I agree with you about the lens quality but strangely, one of the worst lenses I have come across was on a later, rigid bodied III which I didn't keep long. Fortunately, as you say, the push-on filter is 32mm, the same as used by several other manufacturers so I have several in the size plus some clamp on types which fit several diameters. Allowed me to modify the Voigtländer for IR.

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David Kieltyka on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

My dad's Retina IIc, also bought in 1958, was his favorite camera. This was in part because whenever my mom got fed up with him stopping to take photos when she wanted to Get Somewhere he could quickly fold it up and tuck it in a jacket pocket. He pretty much gave up photography in 1984 when it was stolen. But then in early 1992 I found one in As New condition for sale via CompuServe (this was pre-WWW) and bought it for his 73rd birthday. After a CLA by the Detroit, MI equivalent of Chris Sherlock he was back in the saddle, and stayed there well into his 90th year.

I have the Retina now and run a roll of film through it every so often. Still works fine.
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Good to hear David. I received mine in my late 70s and am still snapping away and enjoying my photography. From various comments there seem to be quite a few people in the US still able to work on older gear. You are fortunate, it makes such a difference.

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Gary Smith on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

9 Kodak Retinas sold for 65 GBP ($83 USD) at auction on 25 July as discussed here:
https://realphotographersforum.com/threads/massive-classic-camera-auction-online-in-somerset-tomorrow.26341/
It certainly seems that you made out quite well with that gift of your uncle's gear Tony!
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Hi Gary. It has more sentimental value to me, like Jordan, so I am unlikely to sell it but it is good that they are still valued.

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Jordan on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

I have my Grandfather's IIc. It arrived dto me in beautiful condition but time sitting had jammed it up a bit.

I had mine CLA'd in Christchurch at Fototech - though the website isn't active anymore. The camera came back pristine. I'm still not used to EV but am getting there.

If it didn't have such strong sentimental value I would totally take it traveling overseas
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 09/08/2024

Hi Jordan. After Chris retired I found Fototech and had a camera CLA'd there with great results. Unfortunately, that guy retired soon afterwards also and the next one I found wasn't as good as either. Quite a problem down here in NZ.

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Julian Tanase on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 10/08/2024

I have three Retina cameras (well, two Retina Ia -013 and 015, plus a Retinette 1B), those are wicked little shooters, great glass, great mechanics and overall, a joy to use. I knew about the system Retina had for their line, but never had any or worked with, apart from some filters. Your writing and photographs are really showing the beauty of the system and of the cameras themselves. Thank you!
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 10/08/2024

Thanks Julian. Yes, they are excellent cameras from an underrated maker.

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Peter Roberts on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 10/08/2024

Thanks for this informative post, Tony.
It comes at a fortunate time as funnily enough it was only last weekend that I at last got around to running a film through a Retinette 1B that has spent many years sitting untried in my display cabinet. I had no idea that it had such an illustrious heritage. I've a nagging feeling my efforts haven't done it justice but nontheless a "Five Frames" is already starting to germinate.
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 10/08/2024

Thanks Peter. Quite the unsung heroes are Retinas. Look forward to seeing what you produce. Julian sums them up well.

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Shannon Ware on Retina IIc and the Kodak Retina system

Comment posted: 14/08/2024

Wow, timely article. I just acquired one of these fully cla'd and restored, what a marvelous little jewel. Have also scored the original rectangular lens hood. Shit my first roll recently with demonic meter hanging about my neck. Great results, and the shooting process puts you and your brain in a different, more mindful place. Now I am on the hunt for that book. Not sure if I want to go after the other lenses, it's such a cool little package and compact to carry sling style.
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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 14/08/2024

Good to hear Shannon. Agree about the lenses - it is such a complete package with the standard.

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