Using a Mobile Phone And a Free App To Scan Negatives – By George Griffin

By George Griffin

When I first got back into analogue photography back in 2015, the biggest problem for me was how do I get these analogue images into a digital format to post on either a blog, Flickr or Instagram. Yes, I could get the lab I was sending to, to scan the images but this was costly and also there may only be half-a-dozen images that are worth scanning plus I was developing my own B & W and so that needed to be scanned at home.

Looking at the scanners on the market and the cost of them, the Epson V550 seems to fit the bill, the cost was around the £200 mark and it would scan 35mm and 120.

For the first year using this scanner was ok the black and white images turned out reasonable, the colour film could be a bit temperamental sometimes and still have colour shifts but by and by I got on ok with it but after about a year I started to notice that a lot of my images had a lot of dust on them but the dust wasn’t coming from the actual negatives but from the scanner. It seems as though dust managed to get inside the actual scanner and attach itself to the light that scans images, I did manage to dismantle the scanner and clean up the dust but within a couple of months the dust was back in there and the whole process had to be repeated.

With the amount of dust on the images I was spending more time cleaning them than I wanted to.

Around this time DSLR scanning was starting to become a bit of a thing so I picked up a 50mm macro lens to fit on my Nikon d5100. I also had an old Jessops lightbox with daylight balancing lights which I used to use for viewing slides.

First off I would use the scanners film holder from the Epson, laid across the lightbox and have the DSLR setup on a tripod pointing down to the images and although this worked for a while there was always a lot of light bleed from the light box. The next solution  was to use some black card and cut this to frame around either the 35mm or 120 film. Then it was just a matter of focusing the lens onto the image and clicking away at the frames I actually wanted.

Although I did have to be careful as the black card sometimes scratched some of the negatives which wasn’t ideal.

Then finally I moved onto the pixl-latr, although the pixl-latr helped a great deal the biggest problem was setting up and using the DSLR.

Having no permanent place to leave the camera and tripod set up, it was always a pain making room on the kitchen table to scan. There was also the problem of then getting the images from the SD card onto the computer and finally start editing.

Add to this what software to use to convert colour negatives to positives, not having Lightroom meant I couldn’t use Negative Lab Pro, so other alternatives needed to be found. Other programs like GIMP, RAWtherapee, darktable and the desktop version of FilmLab app were tried but personally I could never get, what I considered a decent colour rendition of the negatives. By this time I was considering giving up shooting colour film and only shooting B&W.

Around this time I bought a new mobile phone, the Google pixel 4a phone. Whilst playing around with it I took a couple of quick snapshots of some B&W negatives with it and was surprised to see how good they looked.

image captured with Google Pixel 4a
Negative captured with Google pixel 4a. Image shot with a Holga.
Image cropped
Cropped and rotated image with histogram
Final edited image
Final image edited in Snapseed with inverted histogram

The pixel size of the phone image is 3000 pixels by 4000 pixels so pretty close to what the DSLR was and the images seem to be very good especially if you were only using them for something like Instagram although I have printed up to A4 and the prints look fine.

Scanning with the phone is a much quicker way to scan and setup, I can use a much smaller tripod and the images are there straight away to edit on the phone or send to Google photos to edit on the main computer but so far all my editing has been done within the phone.

I use a mobile phone holder attached to the tripod so the phone is horizontal over the pixl-latr and to make sure that the phone is square to the board I use a spirit level app on the phone.

Pixel 4a with bubble level
Pixel 4a and bubble level app

Once this is done it is just a matter of zooming the phone in to about 2.4x to fill the screen with the image.

The software I use to edit on the phone is Snapseed, even for a phone app this is quite a powerful piece of software. It allows you to do the basic things like crop, rotate and adjust brightness, contrast saturation, highlights and shadows.

Some of the more powerful tools are curves, dodge and burn, being able to change the exposure values and a host of others which I haven’t fully used yet.

When using Snapseed for B&W negatives it’s pretty much a case of inverting the curve and then making minor adjustments to get the image the way that you like it.

For a colour negative it is a bit more involved but because there is slightly less to play with it makes it easier to get to a reasonable colour positive quite quickly.

I will go through the process of how I get to a colour positive. First opening the image in Snapseed, you need to click on tools to take you to the main palette, this is where all the adjustments can be made and every time you make an adjustment you will press a tick to take you back to the main screen and then back into tools.

Colour negative
Unedited colour negative

Once I’ve scanned the image onto my phone I will take the image into Snapseed and the first thing to do is any rotation and cropping. From there I will go into the curves. In the curves palette you have three options, the central one that looks like an eye will bring up the curves layer and show the histogram of the image, clicking this with turn the histogram on or off.

The style icon will give you a lot of different pre-set options for the curves but the one we are interested in is the left-hand one, the channel icon. When you open this it will give you five different options ranging from RGB, red, green, blue and luminance. The ones we need to concentrate on are the red, green and blue. I usually start with the red, if you press the red dot it will bring up the red channel and it is then just a case of inverting this and moving the sliders into each side of the histogram. This is then done for the green and the blue and it gets you into the ballpark of having a positive image and it is just a case of slightly adjusting each of these three channels to get the desired colour correction. You can also use the luminance to brighten or darken the actual image.

Red Channel adjusted
Adjustment of the red channel
Adjusted green channel
Adjustment of the green channel
Adjusted blue channel
Adjustment of the blue channel. We are now close to a colour correct positive image

Once this is done, pressing the tick takes you back out to the tools, clicking the tools again and into the main palette you will then look for the tune image button by pressing this you will see two icons in the bottom centre of the screen. The right-hand one is the auto adjust and the left-hand one is for manually adjusting the image. You can also place your finger on the middle of the screen and this will bring the same palette up and you can slide up and down to do the fine adjustments. These include everything from brightness, contrast, shadows, highlights and warmth.

Personally for me I found this the best way to edit and convert my images, I still get a reasonable size file that is more than good enough for Instagram, to print out at least up to A4 size and have had my Zine printed with images “scanned” this way.

Using this technique to get images scanned, is probably not everybody’s cup of tea but I find it to be a quick, easy and useful way to get colour or B&W images.

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By George Griffin
I can't remember a time when I didn't have a camera in my hand. Biggest joy is developing film and that anticipation of seeing the images for the very first time.
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Ailbíona McLochlainn on Using a Mobile Phone And a Free App To Scan Negatives – By George Griffin

Comment posted: 11/03/2022

How interesting. I recently tried scanning negatives with a phone app, but my results were lacklustre. Perhaps I need to give it another chance!
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George Griffin replied:

Comment posted: 11/03/2022

The phone apps that do all the work for you, I had found not to be that great. Using this method maybe slightly longer but gives much better results and you have total control over the final results.

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Bob Janes on Using a Mobile Phone And a Free App To Scan Negatives – By George Griffin

Comment posted: 11/03/2022

The negative inversion via curves sounds similar to the method for DXO PL (I've not done colour negative invesion with it much but some people seem to use it extensively).
Regarding getting the camera/phone square to the negative - I've used various methods with spirit levels and such, but saw rather elegant suggestion that if you put a mirror in place of the negative holder and aim the camera at it - when the centre of the lens is at the centre of the frame, you should be dead square...
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George Griffin replied:

Comment posted: 11/03/2022

Hi Bob I've not used DXO PL but I do think it is probably similar to Snapseed and the inversion does give you a lot more control. I've never used the mirror trick, even when using a DSLR I used one of the little bubble levels that fit into the hotshot, I always found this it work fine.

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Murray Kriner on Using a Mobile Phone And a Free App To Scan Negatives – By George Griffin

Comment posted: 11/03/2022

George;
After reading all the pains involved with converting to a digital format, think I'll just be a film enthusiasts for life. Even though my camera collection flows through many formats, 35 mm being the majority of which, think I'll reserve my medium formats for greater enlargements, blanketing the civic avenues and streets for the Range-Finder and SLR use. I've never been the casual snap-shot follower, risking my job security just to always have a film camera at the ready. Glad you sorted thru all the digital to-do.
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Eric Norris on Using a Mobile Phone And a Free App To Scan Negatives – By George Griffin

Comment posted: 11/03/2022

Very informative, but it still seems that there must be a good iPhone app out there to convert negatives to positive images? If I'm going the iPhone/smartphone route instead of using a DSLR to scan my negatives, why do I still need to be tethered to a computer and forced to manually adjust the color curves? Your method is undoubtedly more accurate and allows for more fine-tuning, but I'm sure there's a need for a simpler solution.
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George Griffin replied:

Comment posted: 11/03/2022

Hi Eric Yes, I wished there was a decent phone app but most that I have seen or tried just aren't very good. They maybe O.K. for a quick snapshot of the image but I've never been happy with the final result.

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Tony on Using a Mobile Phone And a Free App To Scan Negatives – By George Griffin

Comment posted: 12/03/2022

What a great, well written, article. A gateway route to home scanning that doesn’t involve the hassle or expense of other methods.
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George Griffin replied:

Comment posted: 12/03/2022

Thank you Tony It is a fairly cheap way to get your images processed. With no new home scanners on the market and the software to run them over 10 years old, I think this is the way forward and phone technology is probably going to continue to improved and make this method of scanning even better.

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Graham Orbell on Using a Mobile Phone And a Free App To Scan Negatives – By George Griffin

Comment posted: 13/03/2022

Thank you George for a very interesting helpful article. Right now I’m digitising old color negatives from years of travel. Also I’m starting to shoot some film again, as well of course digital . I’m getting very good scanning results using an Epson V700 that I’ve owned since they were first released. I have no problem with dust inside it. For software I use the professional version of Vuescan which is absolutely up to date having updates every few weeks that appear when opening and take only a minute to install. Vuescan works with practically every make of scanner ever made. I scan to DNG RAW which is an option ( including Tiff & Jpeg) in the input column . It provides very good infrared dust removal in the “Filter”column ( for scanners that support that. V700 does) and you select film make and type in the output column. The DNG Raw scans open automatically Photoshop Elements, Camera Raw. Of course there are options to scan to Tiff or Jpeg. There is a great degree of RAW adjustment available, the same as with a RAW original from a digital camera, not needing to reverse curves and fiddle with them. The DNG scans initially look very dark in PSE Camera Raw due to different gamma between scanner and computer. ( I don’t completely understand that ) but they quickly come right using the usual sliders. Then I save initially to a dedicated flash drive.
It’s very slow but can be speeded up going for lower quality.

I’m also wanting to experiment with DSLR copying and what you have written about your experience is very helpful.

Of course the orange mask is the biggest problem ( Vuescan has many presets for different negs )
Every make and type of film has a different color orange mask which is why there is no simple method.

Vuescan also has the option to process DSLR camera scans by setting the input to “file” instead of “scanner” I can’t completely understand the instructions on how to do this but it is an option and I’ll eventually work it out. If someone knows please tell me!

My idea is to eventually tether a Canon DSLR with macro lens to my iMac and save the exposures to a dedicated flash drive
Then hopefully process in Vuescan that I already own. It’s not expensive with lifetime ownership and free upgrades. ( I’m not associated)

If I can’t do it on Vuescan a friend who once used Photoshop professionally tells me he can show me how to easily do it with PSE. But VS with its presets for different color negatives each with different color masks sounds good in theory.
I’ll also experiment with your suggestions

About 60 years ago I worked for 6 months in a color print lab, until I tired of being in the dark all day. Back then almost everyone used slide film, projected slides and we made prints for them. At that time the company was the only place in New Zealand doing so, but that quickly changed.
One of my jobs was making inter-negatives and processing them. I used a German professional duplicating machine which was virtually a vertical SLR with bellows and light box below and with 50 foot loads of film. It’s name was Homrich ( I’m not sure if that spelling is absolutely correct) The interesting thing was that it was automated to make 3 exposures on each slide that was copied. It had automatic exposure in turn through each of Red, Green, and Blue additive filters onto 1 frame of inter negative film, and this gave excellent automatic colour correction. But as with our color negative orange masks, each make of (positive) slide film required different predetermined presets to be dialed in. Kodachrome was most popular and most predictable. Each of the 3 exposure times would be different measured inside the camera head. Usually from memory between 1/10 and 1 second. Even drastically underexposed original slides could be corrected quite well often surprising the owners.

In connection with your comment that scanning software is all ten years old. In fact Vuescan is right up to date. Mine was updated yesterday.

Anyway thanks for your article with ideas that I’ll also experiment with
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George Griffin replied:

Comment posted: 13/03/2022

Hi Graham Thank you for your comment. Its good to hear from people that previously worked in the industry. I think I may just of been unlucky with my scanner and the dust build up. I stand corrected about the software, I have heard of Vuescan but never used it, only ever worked with Epson's own software which hasn't been updated in sometime. The orange mask is a problem and it is unfortunate that snapseed doesn't have an automatic way of correcting this but scanning and editing images this way, I believe is still faster that using a flatbed scanner, and because that images are on your phone, you're not tied to a computer and can do the curves adjustments any time you like.

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Graham Orbell on Using a Mobile Phone And a Free App To Scan Negatives – By George Griffin

Comment posted: 13/03/2022

Hi George, Thanks for your reply. I used to use Epson Scan and still have it installed on an old El Capitan iMac where it still works. It doesn’t work on my newer iMac running Monterey.

Epson does has an updated scanning software version that runs on Monterey. But that latest Epson Scan software is bare bones and not much use.

I believe the reason Epson haven’t bothered with a proper update is that Vuescan is so good and so established in the scanning world that Epson can’t compete. Vuescan ( Hamrick Software) regularly email out newsletters whenever something is new. I received one a couple of days ago, and it is being constantly updated, working on most scanners and operating systems.
I also have a couple of iPads and an android phone and I like to make use of them all, which I why I’ll also experiment with your helpful suggestions. A couple of days ago I received a very well made small light box negative copy unit with a very good negative carrier and another carrier for mounted slides from Aliexpress. It cost about NZ$40 delivered in 11 days. Currency conversion about £20 ? . An almost identical unit named “Nikon” no doubt out of the same factory in China sells in our shops for NZ$289

But as we’ve discussed it’s the orange mask that is the main problem with DSLR copying, complicated by every make and type of color negative film having a different colour mask.

My recommendation for what it is worth is to find a particular film that that works for you and try to stick to it.

That is not so easy as there is obviously a world wide shortage of colour film. All our main film sellers in New Zealand seem to be more or less “out of stock” of almost all 35mm colour films.
But a shop in our local village selling mainly binoculars, and overlooked by photographers still has about 10 rolls of Kodak Gold 200 remaining, and I hope to snap up about 4 of them shortly. .
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