Chinon CE4

Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

By Ibraar Hussain

This is a review of the Chinon CE4, but first a little background. After Pentax revealed their plan to design and manufacture new Film cameras I had a sudden urge to use a Pentax. Something small and which could replace a Rangefinder, Pentax has been a master of this in the past.

I had a good look at the famous tiny Pentax MX and ME with their compact size and HUGE View Finders.

I do like a camera with a huge View Finder, my Contax RTS II has a large and bright one – and judging by the reviews of said Pentax cameras the VF is at least as big and possibly bigger.

Chinon CE4
Chinon CE4
Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7
There are two towers at Mistley – here’s one in Colour
Casio ZR800

My search lead me to try out one before buying and I found myself in the London Camera Exchange shop in Colchester where there was a Chinon CE5 with power winder and grip, I had a good go at handling it and was very impressed. The VF was large and bright, the grip was good and comfortable and the wind on lever had a lovely ratcheting feel and action which I immediately liked a lot. I then returned home and never got round to buying it.

Fast forward a couple of months I was on eBay and there was a mint Chinon CE4 body on sale on auction – I took a punt and bid £15 not thinking I’d win it, but I did. Yes, I initially wanted a Pentax, but as the old Apple advert used to say; Think Different, in the days when Steve Jobs took over from Gil Emilio and Apple weren’t the awful mass producing, all conquering and boring behemoth they are today.

The Chinon CE4 arrived in a few days and I instantly took a shine to it. It was plainer and more classically designed than the CE5, diminutive and well formed.

When compared to my Contax RTS II, the Chinon CE4 was quite a bit smaller and I actually preferred the ratcheting feel and sound of the wind on lever. I was very impressed with the Viewfinder – it was HUGE, bigger than the CE5’s and I spent a long time switching back and forth from the Contax to Chinon comparing them – The VF on the Chinon was larger!! What? Larger than the RTS II?? Noo! But it is, only noticeable when repeatedly comparing the two, the largeness is off-set by the slight extra brightness of the RTS II’s VF which is about perfect. The Chinon also has a split Image and Microprism collar which is so much nicer and easier to focus with than the stock FS-1 Microprism collar in the Contax.

Trawling the internet for reviews I discovered that the VF in the Chinon CE4 is the same as that as in the Pentax ME Super, which means it’s the biggest VF in any 35mm SLR. Man, I thought, this Chinon is a hidden gem! The Pentax gets all the accolades but this has only a  slightly larger body and has more or less all of the ergonomics and functions of the Pentax. But saying that, I still prefer the RTS II as it’s almost as large – in fact, hardly noticeably so, and it’s brighter and well, it’s a Contax!

The Chinon CE4 is made of metal and plastic, mostly metal with a good solid feel and heft without being heavy. In comparison the Contax RTS II is a brick – it’s heavy, solid and all metal – an obvious Pro camera compared to the Chinon.

The Chinon’s wind on lever has a nicer feel than the Contax and it’s Shutter button has a lovely damped sound – very pleasing to use and to hear.

I needed a lens, so I bought the Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – a beautifully made lens with lovely construction, very compact size and distinctive orange coating. This was again a bargain from CEX (Computer Exchange) costing me £20.

So for £35 which is approximately $45 US I got myself a nice compact Aperture Priority SLR with a fast 50mm lens. Not bad!

It’s a very easy camera to use – on the right is the Shutter Speed dial, with an Auto (Aperture Priority) option. The right dial is ASA/ISO.

Huge bright VF with Shutter speed indicated on the left, easy to focus and with the added benefit of a pleasurable to use wind on lever and shutter.

The weather has been crap and had been all Spring, so finding the time between work and other stuff to do some photography was tricky. I live in a picturesque part of the country and 2 minutes drive from home on the school run I drive past the Mistley Towers and the Stour Estuary – the ancient boundary in East Anglia between the land of the East Saxons of Essex and the South Folk Angles on the northern shore in Suffolk.

Mistley has many myths and legends – including that of Witchcraft and was home to the infamous Matthew Hopkins – the Witchfinder General as portrayed by Vincent Price in the Film of the same name.

Mistley Towers you can read about here

Mistley Towers

On a rare fine day I made a point of taking my Chinon CE4 (and my Casio ZR800 which is always with me) to photograph the Towers. The weather was lovely with blue skies and fluffy clouds – perfect to get some contrasty photographs of the Towers. I do like the look and texture of yellow beige stone when in sunlight with good shadow you get fantastic tones. I loaded up a roll of AgfaPhoto APX 100. This isn’t Agfa APX 100 (I believe Rollei RPX 100 is the original Agfa APX) it’s a unique Film made by Harman for AgfaPhoto and I really like it’s characteristics.

I stopped the car and as usual metered for the shadows then reducing the exposure by 2 stops to get them at around Zone III. The rest should then take care of itself. With a Yellow Filter attached (Thank you Don McCullin – he said he always shoots with a yellow attached and so do I).

I took some photos of the Towers and a few other features then went home where I took some more photos around the woods. After finishing the roll I eagerly went indoors and got everything ready – my developer of choice is the superb Bellini Duo Step – the easiest and quickest and most reliable Developer I’ve ever used. I looked at the camera and pressed the little button at the base in then rewound the Film – or so I thought. After a minute of rewinding I was a bit perplexed and stupidly opened the back – exposing a great swath of it! I closed it, checked and started to rewind again – this time carefully checking the button and the feel of it – correctly this time. I was by now sweating and vexed – I couldn’t believe I’d done this and now it was a case of damage limitation and a hope that most of the Film was ok.

After developing I was upset to see that I had lost about 15 frames. Anyway here are some of the Photos which survived.

I was very very pleased with the results which needed little work in post processing.

Overall I think this little Chinon CE4 set up would be perfect for most people – small light, quick, a pleasure to shoot with and excellent results with that sweet lens and the exceptionally good Light Meter. Small enough to replace a Rangefinder – the Huge VF is extraordinary. So Think Different and try one out.

Alas for me I’ll be moving this on. Over the years I’ve developed some pains in my thumb joints and it was painful to shoot with this. I need enough grip on an SLR to use my fingers to hold it, I use my right thumb to press the shutter. This was awkward as it’s diminutive size meant there wasn’t much to grip onto – and in some cases, especially when holding it vertically quite painful and very uncomfortable. I simply couldn’t get comfortable with it.

All photos Chinon CE4 Asahi Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 Yashica Yellow filter Agfaphoto APX100.

Chinon CE4 camera shot with Olympus E1 50mm f2 Macro

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Nigel Cliff on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

My first ever SLR was a Chinon Ce4s and I still have one ,one of the nicest handling film cameras I've ever owned
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Thanks Nigel I didn’t even know there was an S version until you mentioned it Read about it and the difference is Aperture is visible in the VF which is nice

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Loren Lehnert replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Sự rõ ràng trong các lập luận của bạn không chỉ khiến bài viết trở nên thuyết phục mà còn dễ đọc.

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Geoff Chaplin on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Great photos as always Ibraar! You're not alone making that stupid mistake - moments of idiocy driven by frustration and lack of understanding strike us all. I still have my Pentax 50mm f 1.7, and my three ME Supers (all faulty) - they were good light cameras in their day. Sorry to hear about your hand problems but hopefully the Contax still works for you. Incidentally Wikipedia says AgfaPhota APX 100 and Rollei RPX100 are 'similar' to Kentmere 100, all three are made in the UK, and at least one website has identical images of a still life taken on all three films.
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Thanks Geoff I’ve used Kentmere and it gives me different results with the same developer and the same camera / lens to the Agfaphoto I find the Agfaphoto to be richer in tone, smoother and just a nicer film. I found the Kentmere to be awful. But that’s just me. I know both are made by Harman The Contax with a small lens is just about ok. I was using it with a heavy zoom 40-80 vario sonnar and I found it hard painful going.

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Daniel Castelli on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Dear Ibraar,
A delightful article on a Monday morning!
You approach ordinary subjects and elevate them to a new level with your skills of composition and ‘reading’ light.
I’m adapting my kit to compensate for the onslaught of age-related aches. The (film) Leitz-Minolta CL I carried as a back-up is now my primary camera. Smaller lenses, smaller bags, etc. that relive our burden of extra weight. Motor winders, auto film rewind all are now just not accessories but aids.
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Thank you my friend - your comment means a lot. I totally understand the downsizing - it makes for such an easier process. I wish I could have added some sort of small protruding grip - I might try and make one

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Miguel Mendez on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Muy lindas tus fotos Ibraar . Tengo una pentax ME y también me asombra lo grande que es su visor .
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Gracias amigo, y es bueno escribir en español (soy hablante ya que mi esposa es peruana).

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Steviemac on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Great images Ibraar as usual. You're absolutely correct about these Chinon cameras, they are far better than most people imagine. Good for you in championing these cameras who's only real fault is to wear the wrong badge. They are also very reliable in my experience. Chinon lenses from the same era are another great bargain. Most current reviews for Chinon glass seem to be made by people who attach them to a full frame digital with 100000000000000000000000 pixels and then nit pick at the results. In reality, and fitted to a 35mm film camera for which they were designed, they are excellent lenses.
Caveat: I accept no responsibility if you now find you need to buy some Chinon glass ;-)
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Thanks Stevie - I’ve still got it as I like it so much I’m loath to part with it I was wondering whether there’s a small stick on grip for it I could get ? I was pondering whether to go for one of the Auto Chinon - I have the M42 adaptor for it but have not used my M42 auto Chinon 35mm f2.8 yet ! And pixel peepers are a pet hate of mine. I mean why??

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Paul Millard replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Hi, Ibraar. Do check out the likes of eBay - Chinon made the 540 winder (which was probably the one on the CE-5 you tried out), or the 530, with built-in interval timer, as well as 2 frames a second or single shot speed. And the lenses, particularly the earlier M42 fit Tomioka-made Chinon 55 mm f1.4, a bit of a legend! In fact, just search Chinon and find more gems! I used the CE-5, CE-4, CE-4s & manual exposure-only CM-4 before and had no problems. Unfortunately, they do end-up 'dying', due to their electronics failing eventually*. They were sold by the electronics retailers Dixons, also marketed under the Revue name. * I have a few Chinon bodies I must put on eBay under "Spares & Repairs" sometime.

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Steviemac replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

I don't know about a stick on grip, but there are winders for them which you might like. A lot of the later Chinon glass is of course PK mount and will go straight on.

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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Thanks Paul for the info I was looking at the same lens 55mm in C/Y mount - they’re pretty expensive

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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Th ask again The winder does look quite large There might be something which is on eBay for another camera which may fit Or I might make one !

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Jukka Reimola on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

So, Chinon was utilizing the K-mount??? One learns something new almost everyday, I guess. Very nice images again, Ibraar.
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Thanks Jukka That’s what’s so nice about these - not only are they well made, very compact and easy to use with huge VF but they also are K mount (and M42 with the adapter )

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Dave Powell on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Hi Ibraar,

So sorry to hear about your hand. If it's either arthritis or tendonitis, I can certainly relate!

But your CE4 photos are STUNNING (and the ZR800 is no slouch either)! The Pentax ME Super was one of my favorite compact SLRs... which I foolishly sold. But based on your (and Mike Eckman's) reviews, the CE4 looks like a solid, simpler, alternative. Me going to haunt eBay for one.

Again... beautiful work, my friend!!!

Dave
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Dave thank you for your comments - always encouraging. The ones I’ve seen are mostly in a very tidy condition I’d be curious to know how these compare size wise with an M RF? Ah my thumbs - pain has stopped me using anything but the small prime I have on my Contax Probably a mixture of arthritis and too much thumb twiddling on the mobile phone which I’ve since cut down considerably

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Jeffery Luhn on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Ibraar,
Any good camera is capable of capturing wonderful photos...but few photographers meet the challenge. You did!
Great choice of angles and lighting. Dramatic! Keep it up!
Jeffery
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Thank you so much my friend

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Lars on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Ooohhh, the lens...had the same for many years on an MX. Call me a nerd but I loved the orange-blue sheen on the front lens.
And the pictures were great too, don´t remember ever being unhappy with the results. Sweet spot: f/5,6.
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Yes I love that orange blue sheen as well I caught it slightly in the picture Thanks man

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Gary Smith on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Greetings Ibraar! Wonderful images! To date, I've not been buying cameras on an opportunistic basis and only have a few film bodies that get any regular use. I have been favoring my digital mFT for long telephotos since long telephoto full frame are too heavy for me after a short while. I'm afraid that all of us begin to feel the effects of age in time. Sorry to hear that your wrist is now making itself known to you.
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Gary Smith replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

I suppose I would have liked to see a comparison between the Chinon and something more familiar so I could judge the size. I can relate to the 50/1.7 but it would have been nice to see it next to another body.

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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

Thanks Gary I’ve toned it down too and more or less happy with the cameras I have And yes the weight though it means cameras and lenses with the weight and heft ooze quality - they’re painful to handle unless blessed with a good grip such as on my Olympus E1

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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 15/07/2024

I did take a picture of it next to the Contax RTS II and would’ve uploaded it onto the review but decided against it In hindsight I should’ve included it But as you can see above it is quite dinky and I recommend it to everyone and anyone looking for a cheaper alternative to other brands and Rangefinders who want compact size

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MICHAEL on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Thank you for the nice review. Very nice images too. I have often wondered if the RPX 100 was Agfa APX or Kentmere 100.
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Thank you Michael I researched the film and apparently it is made by Harmon for Agfaphoto and in reading and in my own experience it is not Kentmere - I haven’t tried Rollei RPX but I think I’ll do so

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Tony Warren on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Great photography as ever Ibraar - a pleasure indeed. Thank you. I suppose I have taken the downs-sizing/weight reduction to the extreme. Around four years ago I was shooting 5x4 - now I am immmersed in sub-miniature! The Cosina looks a nice camera and must be somewhere close to the Pentax MX and OM1 dimensions. And Cosina are producing lenses for Zeiss I understand. You couldn't get more picky I would have thought or a better recommendation.
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Thanks Tony Haha yes I know and I can imagine the sub miniature rabbit hole which I’ve been tempted to try out I’ve been on the lookout for a 110 to start such as a Ricohmatic or something Cosina ? You mean the Chinon? I think it’s about the same length as an OM a fraction taller I’d sayb

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Tony Warren replied:

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Sorry - yes I did mean Chinon. Had just been reading about Cosina - quite an interesting manufacturer - yhe old grey cells hadn't reset!

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Miv Tucker on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

My first grown up SLR was the all-mechanical Chinon CS, a kind of Pentax Spotmatic clone. It was terrific value and easy to use. I gave it to a friend when I upgraded to the CE4, which was also well designed (I loved the metering system) and great value; at the time, it was being sold with a (free) combined motor drive/intervalometer.
Well done for finding one in such good condition!
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Thank you Miv I find the metering to be spot on perfect - I’ve only shot one roll through it and it nailed it

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JC on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Hi Ibraar,
additional: on Lomography the friend Cenkbalaban has some nice shots made with Chinon CE4 / Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.7 too.
Cheers, Jens
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Thanks Jens I’ll take a look !

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John Squillace on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Hi, Ibraar -

Lovely photos, both aesthetically and technically! Wonderful silvery sheen and beautiful tones - I’m gonna try the film/developer combo you mentioned!
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

Thank you John Don’t forget the yellow filter !!

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Ibraar Hussain on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 16/07/2024

NB.
Scanned with an ancient Epson 4990 flatbed using Epson Scan software.
Then tweaked in Lightroom 5.
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Paul Quellin on Chinon CE-4 and Pentax SMC 50mm f1.7 – Think Different

Comment posted: 17/07/2024

Terrific article Ibraar and the Chinon film combination has done you proud I think. The images have clarity that to me could be mistaken for digital. I always like reading about the importance others place on the 'feel' of the film advance. It's something important to me and I think it is a big part of bonding with the camera. Rewind mistakes happen. I did the same recently with a Retina just back from repairs. I know the rewind sequence with these perfectly well, but I probably use too many widely differing cameras... I managed to snap the film near the tail and opened the back (still got some useable frames). Lovely pictures, thank you.
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Ibraar Hussain replied:

Comment posted: 17/07/2024

Thanks do much Paul 4 things which of the utmost importance to me personally are obviously a mostly metal quality and feel, a large bright VF, the sound and feel of the shutter and the ratcheting satisfying feel of the wind on crank. This has everything going for it If I were to recommend a cheap to buy Manual focus camera to anyone this would be it.

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