I originally published a review of the The Olympus mju-ii back in 2013. There’s been a few times since then that I’ve thought about updating that review with a few more recent thoughts. Instead, I’ve decided to keep the original intact, and post this follow-up to bring the original post up to date. If you’ve not already read the original, you can find it here
In 2019, the Olympus mju-ii – also know as the Olympus Stylus Epic – has gained quite a bit of a cult following. It was regaining popularity back in 2013 but since then it’s popularity has grown exponentially. I have, on more than a few occasions, been accused of fuelling the fire of that popularity by writing a review that – but for a highlighting a few shortcomings – asserted that this camera is perhaps the “ultimate point & shoot camera” and pretty much the default recommendation to anyone looking for such a thing. These few years on, I figured I should update those thoughts – especially as they are feeling a little bit passed their best-before date.
In my original review I highlighted a series of reasons I felt that it was the ultimate point & shoot. This included its size, the quality and speed of the lens, its level of reliability in terms of its automatic exposure and autofocus, how easy it is to use, its weather resistance and how easy they are to come by. None of these things have changed, which is largely why I still think the Olympus mju-ii is a good, if not great, camera.
Unfortunately, I no longer think that it’s the “ultimate”, and nor do I see it as a default recommendation to those looking to buy a point & shoot camera. What’s sad, is that this is mostly down to the one factor I can no longer include in that list of pros.
Value (vs. Worth)
The other factor in my original list of pros was the price of the Olympus mju-ii on the used market. When I first wrote my review, they could still be had for £30 quite readily, even on eBay. These days, you can quite often multiply that by 5 if you want to buy good one from the same place. Alone this bothers me, but in paying that heavily inflated price, you also have to accept they’ve aged a further 6 years. And – whilst there might quite literally be millions of these things out there still happily clicking away – an additional 6 years could be quite a lot in the lifespan of a product that’s entirely dependent on electronics.
Fortunately, as far as point & shoot cameras go, the Olympus mju-ii isn’t the least reliable point & shoot out there – there are much worse! That being said though, I do come across reports of irreparable-failure quite often, and have even experienced it myself a couple of times. In fact, the last one that crossed my path died within seconds of me putting a battery into it. I pressed the shutter button, the lens extended, and then stayed extended. The electronics had failed completely and the camera was therefore irreparably dead. Fortunately for me, it wasn’t mine – its owner wasn’t too pleased though. Not because he wanted to shoot it; he was hoping to sell it and wanted me to give it the once-over first. Luckily for him, he bought it a few years ago, so he didn’t lose as much as someone would have if they bought one and this happened today.
It is this combination of increased cost and increased propensity to fail that has meant that I’ve completely stopped recommending the Olympus mju-ii. As I talk about in a recent post, I struggle to recommend many cameras these days, but the Olympus mju-ii was one that I used to recommend a lot. In actual fact, if I’m asked about a point & shoot now and the subject of the Olympus mju-ii comes up, I quite often suggest people steer clear of it, and go for something cheaper.
The unfortunate reality is, for £30 it was a bit of a bargain. Even for £75 it was still a pretty good camera, but for £150+ it just feels a little average to me. Having recently surveyed a bunch of other grumpy arseholes on a Facebook group I’m a member of, I know I’m not the only one who feels this way too. The problem is, whilst it does have the merits I outlined at the beginning of the post, it’s not without a few quite specific shortcomings.
The Common Complaints
As I outlined in my original review, the most common complaints with the Olympus mju-ii are the tiny viewfinder, the slightly awkward handling, and the fact that flash settings are forgotten when the camera is switched off. Something I didn’t really touch on in my earlier review was the eagerness of the flash when it’s switched on.
The Eager Flash
This was first pointed out to me by Graeme on the Sunny-16 podcast a few years ago. But more recently, when asking the question about what people don’t like about this camera on the aforementioned Facebook group, I had more people highlight it again.
The issue is, for those who don’t like to shoot with a flash, not only does the Olympus mju-ii require the flash to be turned off every time the camera is powered up, but when it’s on auto-mode it tends to fire more readily than you might expect. This was never a problem for me, as I habitually turned the flash off whenever I used it. But for those who don’t, or those who forget, they find the flash to cause them an issue by firing quite unexpectedly.
This is further compounded by the fact that the Olympus mju-ii doesn’t really allow you to keep it switched on. With some cameras that require the flash mode to be set each time it’s switched on, it’s possible to leave them powered up in your pocket to increase shot-readiness. With this camera, not only does the clamshell easily get knocked shut, thus switching off the camera and resetting the modes, but – as I discovered when I tried to hack the camera – if you leave it switched on for long enough it hangs and needs the battery taking out to reset it.
The result of all of this, is that you have to be on the ball if you don’t want the flash to fire. Now, as I said, I didn’t ever really notice this issue when I first reviewed it, and even now still have the habit of cycling the flash modes when I first turn it on. But for some, it’s an issue that firmly adds to the categorisation of this camera as fairly “average”.
Copy Variance
Unfortunately, whilst this covers off most of the points highlighted to me when I recently asked for peoples views on Facebook, I also have my own issue to add to the list of shortcomings. That being copy variance in the lens. Funnily enough, this perspective, at least in part, also comes from other conversations I’ve seen and commented on in online forum threads and social media.
Since the mju-ii gets talked about so much, I’ve seen a lot of comments online about the quality of the lens. These range from highly positive comments claiming that it’s one of the best lenses ever to be put into a point & shoot, to others claiming that it’s inferior to some much more affordable offerings out there.
When I first reviewed it, I was of the opinion that it’s a great lens, and for a while found myself a little confused about the negativity. I’ve subsequently shot and seen shots from different copies and spotted differences in the quality of the results. My current copy, for example, seems to have much softer corners.
Of course, copy variance is nothing new, or particularly unusual, but with often strong variance in opinion when it comes to the optical quality, I do wonder just how much variance there is.
Skip To The End
As I’ve said, when I first reviewed the Olympus mju-ii, I didn’t fall foul of the eager flash, nor was I aware of the copy variance. But, even if I had been, looking back at a time when these cameras could be had for £30, I still don’t think I would have quibbled too much. All cameras have compromises and shortcomings that the photographer has to work with, and in the case of this camera the pros it brought to the table used to outweigh the cons.
Unfortunately, now the price has risen to what it has, the weight of the cons bears down much heavier on the pros. For £150 the Olympus mju-ii just feels a lot more average than it used to – especially as it’s getting older and more likely to brick.
The really frustrating thing is, there really isn’t any other camera that offers the same package of features, so it’s not like I could recommend a specific alternative, even if I wanted to. But because this is exact set of features isn’t worth the cash it’s on offer for – as I’ve said – I just can’t find it in myself recommend the Olympus mju-ii anymore.
These days, the more wise option when looking for a point & shoot film camera is to spend a lot less cash on something that doesn’t have a cult following. There are stacks of point & shoot film cameras that can be had for less than £30 – and whilst they might not offer exactly what this camera offers in terms of features, at the price point, their respective pros will likely outweigh the Olympus mju-ii when taking into account its current price point.
In short, don’t get suckered in by the hype – good camera, but its really not worth the money they now sell for!
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Jack Ryder on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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Rob on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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The same phenomenon has happened to the Pentax Espio Mini and the Konica Big Mini. Even the MJU Zooms are going up in Price, leaving me to really wonder if the demand for film is really dead. I think there are a lot of Folks out there who would really love to see there photos coming from film even if they are just snapshots from vacation. There's something About holding an actual camera that makes the memories more valuable to look at. Hell you can get a decent Rollei 35 made out of metal and to, at least, the same standards for less money nowadays.
Thanks for the article. Hope it helps a few people make a better decision
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Mike Connealy on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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Terry B on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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I've read your original review for the first time, I hadn't come across your site back then.
As for the review itself, I found this very fair and summed up nicely what the mju-ii was, and wasn't. It was never an upmarket pocket rocket such as the likes of the GR1, T4 and 5, Contaxes, and others of its own ilk, the Konica A4 comes to mind, and was simply a better specified camera for the family. I ask, for whom else? At its, then asking price for a used camera of this spec, your review, for all practical purposes, was bang on.
Today, I get the impression that people know the price of everything but the value of none. And this is why many seem happy to buy at what are, to others, silly prices for what's on offer. However, it is supply and demand, after all, these cameras are no longer being made.
So don't beat yourself around the head, Hamish. ???? 2013 is not 2019.
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Michael Kay on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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These being the better, higher spec model from which Pentax derived the 'budget' K1000 version. It is the same camera with Depth of Field preview, mirror lock up, and both the shutter speed selected and the aperture selected displayed in the viewfinder. And as the battery only powers the meter, if that doesn't work the camera still will.
As these were short lived models, the ME Super and MX having replaced them because the market wanted small, they are fewer and further between. They were however made of metal, with metal (brass) cogs and they were made in Japan, unlike the K1000 which was only made in Japan for a few years before they moved production to Hong Kong and later China to cheapen the manufacturing costs. They also changed the internals making cogs out of nylon, again to cheapen production costs, but the prices remain ridiculously wild at the moment.
My Voigtlander Vitomatic lla only cost me £30 and works perfectly and is mint condition. It's Tessar formulation lens is the same as the mju ii in a body which is miles better made and will last forever. OK a rangefinder, not a point and shoot. But you can control it. You can find that the viewfinder prisms can separate, but they are dirt cheap and that viewfinder has a 1:1 magnification, i.e the ideal 100% magnification.
You're right to highlight the folly of buying a mju ii today. I actually bought a mju 80 zoom a few years ago, which I know isn't as good, but because of its perceived lack of appeal, I won the bidding paying only the starting price of 1 penny. OK the p&p cost 260 times that, but hey, I coped. The camera turned out to work perfectly, though it has the same design issues as the mju ii.
Buy wisely - buy cheaper and make better choices I say!
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The argument can be made that no analogue point and shoot is worth paying a lot of money for because given their age they're prone to break and then they can't be fixed. One more thing, I hate to be a grammar stickler, but it should be "too expensive" in the title of your post.
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My point and shoots of choice are from the Pentax Espio range, yes i know there are many but be selective. I only now only have the 928 (black plastic body), 120mi, 80, Mini, AF Zoom and the 170Sl. They are all great cameras but the 928 is my favourite and I can't help noticing that prices for some cameras in the Pentax Espio range (excluding the Mini) are now starting to creep up.
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For the price, it is easy to get a better camera which will live long time with a great lense like a Canonet Q17 III, or a Minolta Hi-Matic 7Sii. You will have more fun, and you can use manually if meter does not work !
Guy Wheater on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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Steve Ember on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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In 1993, I was given the more modest Stylus with the perfectly adequate f/3.5 lens as a birthday present. Thus, it was bought new at '93-typical price. I always took it along with my SLRs for snapshots and photos to send to people met along the way (using color negative films). Aside from its "stubborn" flash (as with yours, it had to be re-set each time you turned on the camera), it was pleasant enough to use. I even did some "serious" shooting with it, mounted to a tripod, and I must say that little f/3.5 lens allowed me to display some of the results in rather impressive large prints.
The little guy developed a light leak around 2000 and, while Olympus no longer supported them for repairs, they did offer discounted refurbs in their Customer Loyalty program, so I bought one slightly less deluxe in trim (no silly quartz date to mess up photos if you mis-set it to on) but otherwise same lens and functionally identical, and continue to use it today. Favorite small 35? No way, as I do prefer cameras made of metal that can be repaired if they fail!
But I appreciate my Stylus for what it is and the pictures it can deliver...and happy to say there was no hype-frenzy in its purchase.
Guess I'm a lucky guy in that area, as I bought my lovely Dark Titanium Contax T2 (which I do consider an outstanding example of camera design and manufacture) in 2012...before the craziness set in. And I don't intend to sell it ;-)
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The Olympus mju-ii - is it the Ultimate Point & Shoot? - 35mmc on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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Simon on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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I know I'll miss it. The size and shape is great for carrying everywhere, the spotmeter works really well and I have never had a problem with the flash (I habitually turn it off when opening the clamshell). I hope all those buying them find them fun and rewarding, I am certainly glad I had mine to hand over the last 15 years.
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Fast forward to 2019, and I found the mju2 at the bottom of a box at my mum's house. I'd forgotten all about it.
I bought a battery, put it in, and the camera sprang into life. Nearly 20 years at the bottom of a box in a garden shed, and it was ready to go. I've run a few films through it, and got two shots I'm really pleased with. On a roll of Delta 400, I got a shot of the concrete bridge supports of Glasgow's Kingston bridge in the fog. The image is really quite beautiful - as much down to the film as to the very sharp lens.
But the prices for Olympus mju2 cameras are ridiculous now, I agree. Its a shame. If the camera breaks, you might as well throw it away. It's not worth £150. I think it's because film has become popular, and nobody is making a pocketable camera to take advantage of the trend. Bellamy Hunt was looking into creating a camera to answer the demand, but that was a year or two ago, and perhaps that's not going to come off now.
craig on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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Mine doesnt require removing the battery, it just goes into standby mode and the lcd goes blank, half press the shutter and its back and the flash is still switched off.
Ed on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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Ricoh, are you hearing this? Drop a film carriage into the GR III....
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I did hold on to my XA which is still working great and as of yet doesn't command the ridiculous Stylus Epic prices.
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Michael Hatton on Olympus mju-ii Review (pt2) – Great Camera, But Too Expensive For What It Is!
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I purchased my Olympus mju-ii new when they first came out. It was my back up camera to my bulking Nikon 35MM. The Olympus mju-ii takes great pictures if you use it properly and it "get a good enough" photo if you just point and shoot. Your photos prove it take s great photos. I think the answer is Olympus needs to start making them again but update the quirks. Off button for the flash, bigger viewfinder, a little quieter, etc. Keep the winning parts, small, fast lens, water resistant, clamshell, pocketable, inexpensive. With improved manufacturing this is a win win.
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