Mamiya 7 system with 65mm lens

The Cost of the Mamiya 7

By Andrew

In the early days of the pandemic I purchased a Mamiya 7 kit from an old timer at a reasonable price. This had long been a dream camera of mine and I had been searching for one year after year waiting for “the right price.” In a disappointing turn the 80mm lens was a write off due to severe balsam separation, but that earned me a big discount on the remaning camera and 43mm lens. It was “the right price” I had waited for and thus could not turn down. I quickly shot a few rolls of black and white film with the working 43mm lens as the previous owner had done for years. I developed them in my modest home set up and was unimpressed with the results at best and let down in all reality. I did as so many photographers do and decided to remedy the issue by buying more stuff, namely the 65mm lens. Then the camera sat for 2 years… probably more but who is counting. Always with a hope I could “flip” it for a small payday.

In more recent months I finally tried to sell the camera to a few photographer friends none had the interest or the money. One of them did suggest I should have shot color film since that is where the system shines. I toyed with this idea for a while and after seeing that the arrival of Kodak Gold in 120 format, I decided to give the camera a second chance.

Kids on a bike Native dance demonstration

After carrying the camera around and selectively shooting a few rolls (very conscious of the cost of color film and developing) I sent them off to a lab for development and was presently surprised to see what I had wanted all along, good photos with a distinct film look, almost a large format look. I still have a dozen rolls of the Kodak Gold and decided to shoot them all by summers end without getting too concerned with the cost of film or lab development costs.

An altered land scape. Junked reel-to-reel tape players.

I can’t say there is much of a moral to this story other than not under estimating the power of patients and perseverance. But I can’t help but feel that I should have just used the camera more to begin with and not concerned myself with the cost of film so much. The Mamiya 7 with its 6×7 frames does only get 10 shots on a single roll of film, which is quite concerning to many not so accustomed to film. But if used with intent a keen eye can get more out of those 10 shots than many can squeeze out of a 32GB memory card. While I don’t think I can claim such a grand feat, I do feel the shots I pulled off the first few rolls were more exciting than most of my digital work as of late.

dishes in the distance. Train crossing the border

looking back I think the idea of “fetishizing” the camera came into play. I knew well before I bought the camera that Mamiya 7s and 6s were both valuable and sought after by many, including some of the great photographers of recent decades. Thus there was a high level of awareness and matching hi demand to own the camera. In theory the camera could be sold for quite a bit more than my initial purchase price, If I could find a willing buyer. I made a mistake that is becoming all too common in the modern camera collector driven world and saw the camera not as a medium for photography but as an investment.

Sign for an old PI office. Old gas station

Rather than meeting the world with camera in hand and forever capturing memorable photos in negative format, I was trying to cut costs by shooting cheaper film stocks. I was not going out and interacting with the world as I had dreamt of when I first the saw the camera and the work created with it by so many of the great photographers out there, I was guarding the camera away in a bag in a box so as not to damage or devalue the investment. While obvious in retrospect, I never had much to work with or look forward to when using the camera and the camera languished in storage as I tried to convince myself the purchase was not a waste of money and would indeed provide a capital gain. I now, with the benefit of hindsight, realize I wasted time and opportunity, the most valuable of resources.

So I guess this story does have a moral after all, get out and shoot. A photographer should be concerned with the images not the cost basis analysis of each frame of film or a small pay off from a gear flip. A good photo is the ultimate goal.

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By Andrew
I have been a photographer for a while shooting both digital and film. I travel a lot and love to photograph new places. I am a big fan of home development and classic Nikon cameras.
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Timothy Hancock on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

Good read ! I am not sure why you had no luck with b&w but only colour ? Must be a film issue not camera / lens surely? Have you tried monochrome again with good film stock ?
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

I often compared the medium format B&W to that I shot on 35mm. I have a strong preference for B&W on 35mm and I have shot it heavily for a few years, meaning where was a lot to compare to both in time, variety and sheer quantity. So something was lost in the comparison and personal preference is often hard to overcome.

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Ken Rowin on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

Nice photos. As a long time monochrome guy, I also wonder why you were disappointed with the results. A lens is a lens no matter what emulsion you run through the glass. Give it another try, perhaps with a classic emulsion like Tri-x, and I sure you won’t be disappointed.
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

I have a strong preference for B&W on 35mm and I have shot it heavily for a few years, meaning where was a lot to compare to both in time, variety and sheer quantity. I might go back and get a box or two of B&W once I have eaten through the color, but I make a point of shooting one film at a time and shooting it with some consistency.

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Miguel mendez on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

Algunos soñamos con esa camara durante muchos años y sabemos que de no mediar un acontecimiento excepcional no la tendremos. Usa esa maravilla y disfrutala.
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

Hago todo lo posible para utilizar todas mis cámaras con el mayor efecto. A menudo tuve que buscar durante mucho tiempo y ahorrar para comprarlos (perdónenme si esto está mal redactado, tuve que usar el traductor de Google)

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DeeDee Yelverton on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

A very nice set of images! Glad you gave the camera another try with the color film.
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

Thanks! I think a consistent work flow and dedication, even if you have to force your self with gimmicks or challenges can help a lot.

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Jeffery Luhn on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

As you said, you may have bought the camera as a collectable item, which is okay. It had more issues than you expected. We've all had that. I'd like to see what you can do with it now that you've re-evaluated your position. All of your photos are from quite a distance from your subjects. Why not try HP5 with some portraits? I look forward to your results. Jeffery
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

I shoot using the 65mm which is a wider lens that lends its self to "scenes" and landscapes, but there are some closer shots like the kid on the bike and a few others I did not include. But I shoot portraits very sparingly for a myriad of reasons I could write a whole separate article on.

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Gary Smith on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

My first run-in with a Mamiya 645 is discussed here: https://www.35mmc.com/08/03/2024/an-ebay-bargain-and-impulse-bought-tale-of-woe/
All of that is sorted now but I've decided the rig is just too heavy to shoot without a tripod. I still have a couple of rolls of 120 Gold 200 but I'll likely shoot those in the Perkeo. Your shots above are well exposed and sharp but I understand the pain of sending them out for processing. Yesterday I developed film for the first time in 50 years. Unfortunately the film wasn't loaded correctly and I ended up with nothing (other than the experience). Looking forward to your next round from the 7.
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

Sadly I have made a lot of impulse buys I soon came to regret. One bright side the Mamiya 7 is light weight with good lenses and a good set of features. I think that is why it stayed in my mind as one of the ultimate cameras for so many years and why it earned a second chance.

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Art Meripol on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

I have a long history with this camera. IN 1996 I was among a group shooting a day-in-the-life type book. I had some time free one afternoon so I went with the wonderful Joe McNally to assist him on one of the book's shoots. He was shooting with the Mamiya 7 and I'd never seen or heard of it. He'd hand it to me to reload while he shot with a second body. I fell in love with the camera. I immediately bought a complete Mamiya 7 II system with two bodies and used it off and on for a few years in my job as a travel photographer for a magazine. The magazine loved those large chromes which, when spread across a light table looked like a brilliant church window. Eventually of course we switched to digital and I put the camera away. Of course once the magazine industry started to crash I found myself freelance as I neared my 60th birthday. Having never worked freelance I was worried about money and sold pretty much all my film gear. Freelance worked out just fine and I didn't have to sell all that gear after all. But it's gone and I most regret selling the Mamiya system for a pittance. It's now so expensive that replacing it would be silly. But I don't think there was ever a better camera for travel photography. I still feel heart-crushed that I sold it. The chromes I still have are just stunning and the B&W just as rich. As you said, it really did offer a 'large format' look.
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

I think ther are many stores like yours that arose from the film to digital transition. At least you were able to make the best of a turbulent situation.

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Tony Warren on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

Mamiya lenses are some of the best so unless there are some visible defects like the separation you mention with the 80mm you should get good results with any film. You don't say whether you process your own mono but if you get them trade processed your negs may be less than optimum. Colour processing is pretty standard but mono definitely needs some thought as to timings and developer to get a good tone range along with specific scanning. So I wouldn't give up on it, especially as you clearly appreciate its qualities in 35mm. Thanks for the interesting story.
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

I do process my own B&W which may not help the situation, but I always like my B&W shots from 35mm cameras, so I don't think that is the whole story. I do stil want to get my hands on a good 80mm even if it is just for long enough to shoot a few rolls.

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Alan on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 21/07/2024

Buying a Mamiya 7, then worrying about the cost of film is a little bit ironic, no? The Mamiya 7 is a unicorn camera, but in this case I think rightfully so. Unlike my 3 Leica Ms which, I hate to admit, I've never really truly bonded with, the Mamiya 7 lives up to its reputation, in my opinion. The lenses are flawless and stellar, all of them. It genuinely provides a three-dee 'pop' to images like no other camera does - as much as I hate to use that vague often mythical term. But, most importantly, it really needs excellent pro-grade film stock, scanned and developed perfectly, to deliver these highly detailed qualities. Personally, I would never use monochrome in my Mamiya 7, because that colour pop and virtual absence of grain is really where it's it with this camera - and gets the best out of its superlative lenses, in my opinion. I'm not a good enough photographer to be able to use it for street photography (as much as I had stupid imaginings of being Martin Parr with it, with my inital purchase). 10 shots per roll is way too few for my excessive 'failure' rate in street photography. What I have found this camera is amazing at, is quiet, contemplative, 'sense-of-place' shots, somewhat similar to some of the awesome ones you have provided in this piece. The Mamiya 7 actually helped diversify my photography style, from in-yer-face street photography, to more subtle stuff. I could never acheive this style in 35mm, believe me, I've tried - the results are just flat and lifeless. The Mamiya 7 has opened up new types of photography for me. It will be with me forever.
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Simon Casson on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 22/07/2024

I bought two Mam7 bodies, 65, 80 and 150 soon after they were released. Used them on weddings - one colour, one BW.
Weddings went digital (mostly) and then disappeared totally for me, so I sold one body but retired the remaining kit to light duties/personal work.
It travelled locally and OS with me. The 150 never seemed to come out though...
In recent years I found myself using it less and less, instead using my Leica M's and R's and even more recently an SL.
When it took eight months to finish a roll I knew it was time.
Plus, I knew that one day the electronics will do what electronics do...
I'd kept all the original packaging and ended up selling everything early 2023 for more than I had bought it for all those years earlier!
That wasn't the plan but a fortunate outcome.
And I know it was going to be used a lot more by it's new caretaker.
When I have work road trips now I take my trusty RB67 kit along for ride and that satisfies that big neg desire.
If I'm honest the one thing that bothered me about the Mam7 was the rangefinder - even with super careful framing you invariably would be cropping afterward - compared to say the RB where what you see in that viewfinder is bang on what you will get in film.
But what amazing cameras they are and what fabulous images they gave me!
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 22/07/2024

Everyone will have a somewhat different experience. I like the images I am getting on color and that is good enough for me, at least for the time being.

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Arthur Gottschalk on The Cost of the Mamiya 7

Comment posted: 23/07/2024

I'm surprised that you did not take to the Mamiya. Yes, photography has become a rather expensive hobby, I have both the Mamiya 6 and the 7II, both bought new. They have always worked perfectly. The 60mm is my favorite lens, with the 45mm reserved for special occasions. Both cameras are by far the easiest to hand hold, probably because the shutter is so smooth. Keep trying!
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Andrew replied:

Comment posted: 23/07/2024

It took time, but I am very used to 35mm and I think expectations can be very high, and if things dont meet expectations right off the bat one can become discouraged or frustrated.

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