Thornton Pickard Rubyette No. 2 – So now what?

By Steviemac

So now what?

This is the question I ask myself, or perhaps should have asked myself when I rashly bought this wonderful example of an English plate camera. It’s a Thornton Pickard Rubyette No. 2 which was made in Altrincham, Cheshire, sometime in the 1930’s. It’s a reflex camera and was designed initially for plate photography. I have no intention of getting involved with plate photography despite being full of admiration for such things, and am quite content to stay with medium format and 35mm.

So why on earth did I buy this? Was it because it’s beautiful in an angular, lumpy, awkward kind of way? Or maybe because it came complete with a 120 or possibly 620 roll film back, and I thought it would be a wonderful way to experience what it’s like to shoot a large format camera whilst using 120 film. Maybe it’s because Altrincham is just down the road from where I live, and I envisaged photographing around the Broadheath area of that town where it was made. Then again, maybe it’s because I’m a romantic fool? Most probably it’s simply the case that I’m an idiot. In the words of the fictional policeman cum philosopher, Dirty Harry Callaghan: “A man’s gotta know his limitations.”

So this is where I stand now. (I think) I’ve worked out how to load the film, how to focus, and how to set the aperture, but the shutter is totally perplexing me. It’s what I believe is a falling shutter camera, but I’ve almost certainly got that wrong, and I confess to being baffled. Each time I cock the shutter lever, (which is reminds me of clockwork) the shutter speed indicator goes to whatever speed it thinks fit so to do, and not the speed I’d set it to. When I then release the shutter, there seems to be just one slow speed. I’ve tried Google and YouTube without success, and nobody I know has the faintest idea how it works.

So here I am, hanging my head in my shame before the world, and admitting that I’m out of my depth with this camera. Despondency has descended like a cloud blanketing my normally optimistic disposition. It would seem that this camera will have to be relegated to a display piece, or sold on which would be an admission of defeat. Not a position I care to be in.

But, I would so dearly love to learn how to use it. I’m not proud, so I am awaiting the combined knowledge of the 35mmc community to come to my aid and free me from my ignorance. Alternatively, you can simply mock me in the comments section.

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By Steviemac
I live in the northwest of England. I have loved photography since my teens, and have amassed a significant collection of cameras. Most were bought during the golden era when digital took to the throne, and film was yesterday's news, meaning I could buy them for little money. I photograph purely for pleasure, and I have an incurable GAS condition, for which I have resisted any and all suggestions of a cure.
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CHRISTOF RAMPITSCH on Thornton Pickard Rubyette No. 2 – So now what?

Comment posted: 22/08/2024

I have that exact roll-film back that "Rollex-Patent"! Well, except mine has two windows and it is mounted to a Plaubel Makina from 1929. It definitely takes 120 film. Most MF films seem to have frame numbers still printed on the backing paper, a kindness from the manufacturers, as most cameras don't need it. I have found that it works well, except that I have to tape it on using electrical tape to prevent light leaks. That means zone focusing only and I'm ok with that. The 6x9 negatives are quite forgiving if you don't make huge enlargements. It's fun to shoot with such an irritating camera though!
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Steviemac replied:

Comment posted: 22/08/2024

Thank you Christof, I really do hope that I can get it going. There is a sliding plate on the roll back, which allows one to view the numbers on the film. As you say regarding your camera, it would be great to use it, even though it is an unwieldy so and so.

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murray leshner on Thornton Pickard Rubyette No. 2 – So now what?

Comment posted: 22/08/2024

It looks like a (silk?) curtain shutter. I'd hope that you get confirmation from someone with experience with that camera/shutter, but if it is anything like a Speed Graphic shutter, with a spring, the winding tension may have multiple settings for multiple speeds. On the SG, there is a ratcheting mechanism that clicks with each incremental increase in tension, but there are mechanical indicators on that design. Depending on the tension setting, firing an SG shutter can take multiple cycles to release all partial tension.

If you can confirm your camera's shutter tension is dissipated (if like SG, you just fire the shutter repeatedly until it has no more tension). Then watch the curtain as you wind the shutter tension a little. If it's a roller curtain, it may have multiple open slit widths. The slowest speed on such a shutter is the widest opening. IF this is that type, as the curtain tension is increased by winding, a slit will roll by, and as tension is further increased, another shorter slit in the curtain will roll by, and so on.

If I'm wrong, I don't want you to overly tension your shutter, as it's old and not easily fixed.

Because the SG was like an SLR, the shutter has to be completely open for composing. That is probably not the case for this camera, but for the sake of description, on the SG, at the composing setting for the curtain shutter, the slit is the full width of the back of the camera.

Maybe there is a YouTube video, or similar, of someone walking a specimen of the same camera thru the shutter operation.
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Steviemac replied:

Comment posted: 22/08/2024

Thank you Murray, your description is much appreciated. I see what you mean, and I will try what you have suggested. I will try not to overdo things and I'm averse to forcing anything of a mechanical nature.

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Miguel Mendez on Thornton Pickard Rubyette No. 2 – So now what?

Comment posted: 22/08/2024

Yo por mi parte te felicito. Es una pieza hermosa y si logras hacerla andar sera un triunfo . No te des por vencido.
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Steviemac replied:

Comment posted: 22/08/2024

Thank you Miguel, for the words of encouragement.

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Geoff Chaplin on Thornton Pickard Rubyette No. 2 – So now what?

Comment posted: 22/08/2024

I can't help with the camera I'm afraid but if it is indeed a vertically running focal plane shutter then using a slow speed you have the chance to reproduce the famous racing car photo by Jacques Henri Lartigue! Good luck!
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Steviemac replied:

Comment posted: 22/08/2024

Now wouldn't that be something!

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Tony Warren on Thornton Pickard Rubyette No. 2 – So now what?

Comment posted: 22/08/2024

I am no expert but it looks like the shutter speeds are dependent on slit width confirmed by this site - http://www.earlyphotography.co.uk/site/entry_C672.html - in which case it could be that the link between the two blinds, probably tapes, have broken or gone astray in some way. God luck though with betting it going - it is very satisfying to get something out of these old-timers. And the lenses can be surprisingly good. Yours looks very clean.
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Graham Coad on Thornton Pickard Rubyette No. 2 – So now what?

Comment posted: 23/08/2024

You have tried cocking the shutter before setting the speed haven't you?
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Steviemac replied:

Comment posted: 23/08/2024

Er, you know something Graham, I can't recall if I did. I presume I did, but am I certain? No, I'm not. I will try in a few days when I'm back with the camera. It'd be quite amusing if that's what was required.

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Gary Smith on Thornton Pickard Rubyette No. 2 – So now what?

Comment posted: 23/08/2024

According to McKeown's, there were three versions of the Rubyette: #1 = Vertical model for 6.5 x 9 cm plates, #2 = revolving back for 6.5 x 9 cm plates and #3 = square model for 9 x 9 cm plates or 6.5 x 9 cm plates.
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