Light Lens Lab Eight Element

Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

By vincentbihler

Light Lens Lab is one of the newest Chinese lens manufacturers that started making replicas of legendary lenses in 2019. Their first lens, and best selling so far, is the Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 replica of the Leica Summicron 35mm f2, first version – it’s known as the ‘Eight Element’ because of its optical diagram. The aim of LLL is to make replicas as close as possible to the original while even bringing, sometimes, improvements, like better materials, denser construction, improved coatings, etc… In this review, I will give my honest feelings about the very last black paint on brass batch, that has kindly been offered to me for this review.

Mechanics and haptics

The Light Lens Lab Eight Element has seen quite a lot of revisions as they are apparently trying to improve the lens little by little, following customers suggestions. This way, if we compare the very first version V1LC (version 1, lead glass) with the current V7LC, many things have dramatically been improved, like the aperture ring which now has no play at all compared with the first version, f-stops are spaced in a linear way, internal coatings have seen some improvements too… First thing one would notice is that the lens feels very, very dense in hand, it is striking and pretty impressive for its size. It is much heavier than the original silver Summicron V1 lens I had, which was made of aluminium as many lenses of that era. The Light Lens Lab Eight Element is much better in that regard as it also feels much precise and sturdier in every direction.

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The Light Lens Lab Eight Element finish is also pretty brilliant. The black paint job is perfect and very smooth looking with no overflow, engravings are clear and sharp, it is as good as it could be. It really feels like a little precious jewel.

I usually don’t like infinity focus lock levers because on some occasion, it can slow me down when I want to achieve quick setting and I forgot to place my fingers so that the lock disengages. This is not really a fault and actually, the lock feels nicely made and precise, and this is how the original lens was made. But still, it is something I would like to be able to disengage permanently at times and it is not possible with the Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm.

Light Lens Lab Eight Element

The Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm also fits all original hoods, whether it is the IROOA, the 12504 or 12534. Light Lens Lab also make their own IROOA and 12504 replicas, which is a good option if you don’t have one of the original hood. Unfortunately, reaching the aperture ring with the 12504 hood I have is pretty challenging as the hood diameter is slightly larger than it. It is manageable though with some practice.

We can feel that a lot of attention has been made with the finest details. Even the front and rear caps are beautifully made and are screaming Quality. The thing that annoys me a little from the outside is the front engraving stating “CHINA” in RED colour. I honnestly think this was not necessary, as the chinese script under the lens barrel is more than enough to make you understand where this lens comes from. I think this is their way of claiming loud their industry has reached top of the notch machining standards. That being said, I’d love to be able to choose a front ring without it.

Optical performances

Light Lens Lab did not try to change things dramatically with regard to optical performance compared with the original lens. Which is what people interested in the lens should be after. The rendering is very very similar and it will take you a lot of time to determine which is the original and which is the replica with two side by side pictures. The reason for that is pretty simple, the optical formula and glass composition have been replicated to the perfection. The differences you might observe are most probably caused by the fact that the original lens is aging a bit and loosing a bit of contrasts compared with the brand new Light Lens Lab glass.

If we put the comparison aspect aside, it is interesting to note that the Light Lens Lab Eight Element is very sharp in the center at all apertures. But it is not the case in the corners. This lens is a very vintage lens formula, and it will show in a lot of areas. The first one is the corner sharpness that will only start to be really sharp at f5.6. This is not bad for a classic lens design, but it is much worse than the modern Ultron 35mm f2 for example. The general contrasts are pretty low also and you will have to close it down a bit too to get rid of some glow. That being said, some of you will love that glow, especially at night as it reinforces light halation on film. Another point to be aware of is field curvature and focus shift. This lens has some. It is absolutely not dramatic on film, and I doubt anyone will ever notice it on that medium but on a recent high res rangefinder camera, you will need to be careful about that if you need absolute sharpness. But you would be wrong to pick up that lens anyway if your greatest concern is about absolute sharpness. This lens is not about that, it is about signature and beautiful character.

All in all, the overall rendering of that lens is vintage, but very refined and romantic in a way. It gives a very cinematic look to pictures when used wide open and I love it. Also, it is the closest thing to the legendary 8-element Summicron you will ever be able to get for a realistic price. I will let you see a few samples made in the streets of my city on film.

All these pictures were shot with the Light Lens Lab Eight Element on my Leica M6 on Kodak Tri-X 400, developed in Pyro510. I am pretty glad with the outcome and as I previously mentioned, there is a very cinematic vibe to these pictures with a slight veiling wide open, and overall character of the lens. Also, I am very happy with distortion. In all these pictures, distortion is so minimal that you will never notice it. Rangefinder seems to be well calibrated out of the box too, which is good news.

Also do notice the optical formula dates from the 60s, and has never been optimized for digital sensors and sensor stack, etc. So I think it is better to really embrace this lens on film to judge weather it is good or not. I suspect this lens behaves a bit worse with digital sensors as it is a medium wide lens with short flange distance. I did observed that to get critical sharpness over the whole picture for a landscape, f5.6 is manageable if you don’t put your focus point in the center of the frame, but f8 is preferable.

Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 Summary and Conclusions

Pros:

  • Superb build. Better than the original I had.
  • Pictures come out a bit punchier than the original I had wide open because it is 60 years younger.
  • Very cinematic vibe.
  • Low distortion (very slight, will very rarely show).
  • Always sharp in the center.

Cons:

  • Screaming red “china” script on the front ring.
  • I wish I could permanently unlock the infinity lock.
  • Corner sharpness seem to be lagging a bit, but it seems to be compliant with the original lens.

Overall I am very glad I was asked to do this review. The last affair I had with the original Summicron 8 element kind of disappointed me, mostly because of the build. Now, what I had in hand with the Light Lens Lab Eight Element was something completely different. One can really feel the passion that has been put in this replica. The finest build coupled with almost perfect glass replica led to a real jewel, with vintage signature that brings another very interesting option for 35mm lovers. Don’t seek for absolute sharpness with this lens, neither modern rendering – you will be better off with a Voigtlander Ultron or Leica Summicron ASPH. It is more the kind of lens that leaves a signature on your pictures and really gives a sense of satisfaction when you are using it. I would totally recommend it to anyone looking for that kind of experience. Light Lens Lab is a very interesting company and their work is pretty amazing. Check out the rest of their replicas. Also, do know some very very interesting stuff is currently in their pipeline.

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Michael Zwicky-Ross on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Thank you for the very thorough and thoughtful review. Could you perhaps post a link to the manufacturer and maybe the price?
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vincentbihler replied:

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

https://lightlenslab.co/?srsltid=AfmBOooqgPR3w0IARHgfkXj1eYg-KKibx7WK4fPCYpYvucit9sRYCsvi

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murray leshner on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

I have some confidence in my own ability to distinguish Chinese from other Asian languages, but don't really know why I would. I haven't studied any of them. But I cannot distinguish writing that indicates Taiwan vs. Mainland China.

German lenses have identified country of origin and sometimes the city the optics plant is in.

Lenses from Japan have also been clearly marked, including an inspection sticker. The few S. Korean lenses I've seen as well.

Antique USA cameras I have no many of I stopped paying attention to markings other than recognizing Rochester.

When I find a thrift store lens and the markings are deficient, I'm disappointed if I cannot figure out what or where. Those usually don't have much to say, so no great loss.

I think the red CHINA marking is creatively thought out. The red dot on Leica is iconic, and others apparently have tried to mimic that with their own red dot. I have a couple old Kodak's with red dots. Since the lens is unmistakably intended to mingle with Leica gear, having a red element implemented differently implies perhaps a reverence, while avoiding too hard trying to look like a clone/copy or other negative term. Their name is too long to clearly implement in a red shape like Leica. So the red lettering accomplishes identifying the country of origin, rather than keeping that 'quiet', and there may be an element of pride as you mention. But I don't think it's in your face loud. I think it's an elegant graphic design and if it's delivers quality, there is no harm in associating the country of origin (may also be a requirement for export/import in some destination counties) with the quality, since it doesn't always automatically get respect...it has to be earned.
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vincentbihler replied:

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

It just feels strange that the emphasis is out on "China" instead of light lens lab, or eight element. It would make much more sense to me.

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Ibraar Hussain on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Fantastic B&W work
Lovely tones and compositions
Xxxxx
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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Ditto that!

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vincentbihler replied:

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Thanks so so much!!

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Jay Dann Walker on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

An excellent, well thought out and well written review with super good images. My congratulations to the author.

Your photos are, I think, as much a tribute to your skills as to the lens.

However, no price is given. Why not? Knowing a price would be a crucial factor in the decision many would want to make about buying this lens. Are there reasons why no price is stated? And if so, what are they?

Yes, I know. Obviously we can look it up for ourselves on the internet. Some will. Many won't.

So to me omitting the lens price does a disservice to both the manufacturer and the potential customers.

Best from DANN
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vincentbihler replied:

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Hi Dan, it is a data I just forgot to add in the article. Lens is sold around 1000€, depending on the options you choose. https://lightlenslab.co/products/light-lens-lab-35mm-f2-eight-element?variant=43179650121962

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Jay Dann Walker on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Me again. After posting my comment, I did what I should have done in the first instance, and went to Google for the info I wrote about - the price of this lens.

For the record, the price range I found was US$715-$1,300.

So there it is. Readers of this truly good review can now draw their own conclusion.

For now I will stay with my Elmar 50/3.5 and Summicron 50/2.0. A '35 for me will be further down the track, maybe.

Best from DANN
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vincentbihler replied:

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Thanks Dann

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Russ Rosener on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Checked price on this lens, and at just under $1000.00 US I'd have to give it a hard pass. I did enjoy seeing your photos however. Excellent monochrome work in a variety of places.
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vincentbihler replied:

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

The lens price is indeed a bit above the Voigtlander Ultron which is 150€ cheaper. But you also have to consider the fact that voigtlander is a much bigger factory than can pull prices down significantly with quantity. Also, I'd rate the build quality better with the Light Lens Lab, which is quite some achievement. To my eyes, the price is pretty well placed considering current market prices. But it still remain hefty for sure.

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Jeffery Luhn on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Thank you, Vincent for a very well written review, and good quality shots. You convey an intense interest in getting the most from the 35mm format. Great images!

Murray brings up an interesting counter point about having 'China' in red on the lens. I'm old enough to remember when 'Made in Japan' on items was the butt end of a joke. How that has changed!!

I'm an avid guitar player. People used to disparage Chinese copies of Gibson guitars as 'Chibsons.' Over the last 15 years almost all of the main guitar companies have contracts to produce in China and their latest products rival American hand crafted instruments.

My point: If a company displays fine craftsmanship, let them have their due.
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vincentbihler replied:

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

That is a nice way of thinking Jeffrey. Can't agree more with you with these arguments, as you also hit my other weakness, instruments. My current bass is a 2009 Chinese jazz bass. Its build is actually very impressive (minus the tuners)

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Gary Smith on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Excellent article Vincent! At this point I don't have any LLL products although I do have a TTArtisan m-mount 50/1.4. I'm hoping that these Chinese companies will do a camera body at some point before I cash in my chips. I have an article in the queue re: a Voigtländer 21/4 Color-Skopar on my M3 but I will certainly admit that your detail is much more thorough than mine.

Thanks for a great read!
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vincentbihler replied:

Comment posted: 26/08/2024

Thanks a lot for the kind words :)

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Andrew Wong on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 27/08/2024

The collapsible version has the traditional infinity lock, and I enjoy using mine on LTM rangefinders, but then you have the trade off of the aperture ring being harder to use as it rotates when focused and you have to lock it at infinity, set aperture, then focus. It isn't like a Summitar or canon 50mm 1.9. where the aperture doesn't rotate when focused. I kind of wish I got the rigid one in LTM, but it was also a lot more expensive than the collapsible I got last year before the prices went up again...
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vincentbihler replied:

Comment posted: 27/08/2024

That collapsible version is very interesting for it's size once collapsed. I think it was a very original idea to make that version, especially with the cheaper price. But it is true also that the rigid version seems a bit more ergonomical.

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Tony Wu on Light Lens Lab Eight Element 35mm f/2 review

Comment posted: 30/08/2024

Nice to see positive feedback of LLL lenses abroad. I got an LLL black paint 8E first and half year later I got a goggle-ver Leica 8E. To me they are both on the high end of build quality, while the original one stuns me more by how butter smooth the focus ring is after the about 60 years life it has been through. I prefer the lighter weight of the aluminum when out shooting. For image quality, LLL claims they improve the corner performance a bit, but I don’t think I can distinguish them because I don’t do pixel peeping. The distortion control is great as mentioned, and that’s an important factor that let me decide to part away with the Ultron, which has significant barrel distortions. By the way, they just announced the release of another legend lens—the 9 element Elmarit 28 V1. Looking forward to the feedback around the world.
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